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- And to help me sort things out in addition is Peter Joseph

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founder of the Zeitgeist Movement

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Peter, I know that you have put a major critique of the mainstream media

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and its coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

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Lay this out for me. What's your biggest beef

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with what we've been seeing in the Occupy Wall Street movement

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and how it's been covered?

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- Needless to say the mainstream media is doing

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what it always does best and that's maintaining the status quo.

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It's not a far-fetched understanding to see that the values

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that are perpetuated by this system that are associated with wealth generation

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and the corporations that run this country are going to do the best they can

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to make sure the public is not aware of the growing crisis

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that this economic system is creating across the board.

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I want to commend RT once again for what I've just seen:

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It's really wonderful the service that you are providing.

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Mainstream media? I've dismissed it long ago.

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- We appreciate it. We have been out covering this since the first day

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before a lot of people even heard of this, but I will say

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that I keep my eyes on what's on the cable networks

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and they have started to be out there a little more in terms of covering

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and showing that this is actually going on.

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I do also have to say that I've seen more stories about

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the gap between rich and poor, income and inequality...

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You've given up on the mainstream media, but do you think

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that after some time, that having this discussion will change things

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will lead to a better country?

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- Or a better world. I do think the pressures that are emerging

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are not going to stop. What's been generated with Occupy Wall Street (OWS)

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what underscores that generation: angst, anger.

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That 'insurrection' isn't going to stop

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because of the mechanisms of this system

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(which I'm happy to talk about as we continue) and the mainstream media

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will be forced to recognize some attributes of it.

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But it's always going to be a colored in a particular way

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because that's basically what they have to do.

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That's where their talking points come from.

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But I don't dismiss the mainstream media. I say that in rhetoric.

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Obviously I'm paying attention too or I wouldn't make the commentary that I do

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but I think the public needs to begin to understand

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that having the concentration of corporate power

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ownership of these major, mainstream institutions

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is always going to produce biased media and it's a natural consequence.

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It's not that the people are unethical who run the mainstream.

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It's just the value that's associated and what they promote.

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Just like RT and other great more independent avenues

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have values that are much more open, they're much broader

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more informed, and therefore you represent actually

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what many people want to see, what the voice of the people may actually be

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as opposed to the filtering that goes through the mainstream.

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The entire Occupy Movement began as a blackout

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and then the outrageous criticisms calling them communists and socialists

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and a bunch of drug addicts or people without jobs and no incentive.

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All that stuff went through that phase. Now we have hit a phase

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where the mainstream is going to pay some type of attention

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but I want to alert everybody that it's going to be colored

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so everyone needs to go to outlets that are not mainstream.

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They need to start to frequent blog. They need to frequent

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all of the independent media that has arisen

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from common people that are reporting.

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Fortunately, we live in a world with everyone having cameras now

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so it's very easy to go to videoblogs

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and actually see and digest information yourself.

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- Or even go to some of these places, some of these parks where people are.

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It seems like more and more they're happening all around the country.

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Peter, I want to talk really quickly about the Zeitgeist Movement.

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It encourages also a change in the system.

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When it comes to some of the things that these protesters on OWS

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are frustrated with: a government with officials that are very much chosen

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by the amount of money they can raise,  banks being bailed out

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veterans returning home and not being able to find a job

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I guess I want to get your take, pick your brain a little bit.

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What are your solutions to some of these problems?

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Just to correct the language quickly, it's not 'my' solutions.

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It's solutions that have come about through a very simple technical analysis

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of what defines society: what creates good public health

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good mental health, what we have learned about social management

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when it comes to our scientific benchmark.

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Just to point out before I answer that question, our entire social system

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is based on an archaic view a traditional notion

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that was established long ago.

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It's really an extension to feudalism is what the political system is today.

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The economic system is a socially Darwinistic notion

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that there isn't enough to go around, so we have all these mechanisms

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built in for scarcity and we now have one billion people starving

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on this planet, 3 billion people living on less than $2 a day.

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You look at the consequences of this system and then you step back

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and you think about what a true economic system might be

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and a train of thought will be established.

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A true economic system is not a system

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based on exchange, money and labor for income.

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That's a contrivance that we've concocted through traditional unfoldings

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as we've learned through time

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what our place in the world actually is, what we are.

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A true economy, which is what's now emerging in the public mind

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is the management of the Earth.

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A true economy is management of this household that we have

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and proper management is a technical orientation.

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Meeting the needs of human population is a technical orientation.

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Just as we build an airplane with a very specific design

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(you can't have too much deviation

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or you might injure the efficiency or efficacy of that airplane)

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we have to construct society technically.

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I can go on a long tangent about what a technical approach

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to the social management may be, but let me just say this:

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If we do not actually begin to manage the Earth's resources

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if we do not actually begin to take care of society as it is

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we are going to see numerous forms of destabilization occur

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systemically breaking down the social order

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causing much more chaos than we are beginning to see now.

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- Peter, you are speaking in very broad terms.

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A total restructuring of society sounds like a great idea

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but what about realistically in terms of

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some of these very specific problems plaguing society right now?

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Obviously everyone, especially down there in this movement believes

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that an entire restructuring needs to happen

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but do you think that there are some things that can happen now?

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- Yes, I do think that there are things that can happen now but

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the things that will happen now will only be patches

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until the larger order restructuring occurs.

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Most of the people in the protest community:

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OWS or even in the mainstream activist community

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never stop to think about the structure of this system

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the structure and the psychology and values

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that come from that structure and what's reinforced.

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That's where the Zeitgeist Movement really comes into play.

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I can list all sorts of things that could alleviate different tensions

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as far as the debt crisis. First

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you're going to have to have debt forgiveness across the board

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if you expect to stop the cancer of debt growth. That's it.

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The entire system is based on debt being created

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money being created out of debt, interest charged upon it

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so you have boom, your black hole:

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instant, exponentially increasing, unstoppable, debt growth, period.

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That's it. It's structural to the system.

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How many people are talking about that? Not that many.

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- I think a lot of these protesters are talking about

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this system needs to change. Most people are just still very unsure

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how that happens... Unfortunately we're out of time.

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Peter Joseph, founder of the Zeitgeist Movement.